Defensive ammo

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Anyone here have an opinion on the Corbon .45 ACP solid copper (Barnes) 160 gr. and 185 gr.+P loads?

[MAC]

Anyone here have an opinion on the Corbon .45 ACP solid copper (Barnes) 160 gr. and 185 gr.+P loads?

I don't have any experience with them.

[UnaStamus]

When I carried my Kahr PM9, I used Speer Gold Dot LE Short Barrel in 124gr +P.
For my Glock 27, it's Federal Tactical HST 180gr. I only carry bonded bullets. After doing significant testing with barriers and ballistic gelatin, the bonded bullets are just so much of an advantage in terms of weight retention and proper predictable expansion.

Anyone here have an opinion on the Corbon .45 ACP solid copper (Barnes) 160 gr. and 185 gr.+P loads?

No first-hand experience, but I've talked to people that have run them and tested them. They're supposed to behave like bonded bullets with very little fragmentation w/ high weight retention, and good expansion with the petals.

[AGreenSmudge]

This may be a little off topic, but I think it applies.


What do you guys think of "frangible" .223/5.56 ammo in an HD style rifle?

A lot of folks refer to them like they're the finger of God or something. That they're as deadly as regular ball, but won't over penetrate a sheet of tissue paper.

I'm a bit skeptical as i have a hard time believing that a frangible bullet can withstand the acceleration and speed of that cartridge, but still break up so consistently.

The box of truth fellas have used federal frangible stuff on a couple of their tests. At best they penetrated as much as a regular handgun round and at worst they were almost the same as FMJ, but that was only that one brand.

[UnaStamus]

More often than not, frangible rifle rounds behave like full metal jacket and heavily over penetrate. They only reliably disintegrate on steel plate and concrete.

Barrier blind Bonded JSP and copper JHP (like the Barnes TSX) have the most consistent performance and have less chance of overpenetration than any pistol rounds. One of the best rounds you can buy for home defense as a private citizen is the Federal Fusion F223FS1 62gr. JSP. It can be found at most hunting stores, and it's basically the same thing as the Federal Tactical LE223T3 62gr TBBC. All Federal Tactical Bonded JSPs are good (.223 55gr and 62gr, and 5.56 62gr), Winchester bonded JSPs are great, and Speer JSPs are great. Anything with the TSX bullet is good, from 45gr to 70gr, though the 45gr and 50gr loads would be the best for home defense. CorBon (DPX), Black Hills and Silver State Armory all make loads with this bullet. The best overall for the TSX is the Black Hills 5.56 50gr TSX, especially if you're running an SBR. They will reliably perform down to 1300fps velocity (IIRC), so they're perfect for SBRs. It's different than other TSX bullets and was made specifically for Black Hills with different expansion characteristics. Upon impact and expansion, you'll get a .50 diameter hole and a perfect amount of penetration.

[AGreenSmudge]

Thanks for clearing that up!

[indy_tim]

I carry Speer 230g Gold Dots in my 45s, 124g Gold Dots in my full size 9mms and Hornady Critical Defense 115g FTX in my small 9mms.

[UnaStamus]

I carry Speer 230g Gold Dots in my 45s, 124g Gold Dots in my full size 9mms and Hornady Critical Defense 115g FTX in my small 9mms.

Just curious for the sake of conversation- why do you use different types of 9mm ammunition? And specifically, why do you use Critical Defense?

[AGreenSmudge]

Anyone here have an opinion on the Corbon .45 ACP solid copper (Barnes) 160 gr. and 185 gr.+P loads?

I don't have any experience with them, but I did come across thiss brassfetcher vid a while back and was pretty impressed with the 160gr performance.

[xethanx]

Anyone here have an opinion on the Corbon .45 ACP solid copper (Barnes) 160 gr. and 185 gr.+P loads?

I don't have any experience with them, but I did come across thiss brassfetcher vid a while back and was pretty impressed with the 160gr performance.

Hes actually been doing balistic tests with charts and everything to settle the debate of 9mm vs 45... So far out of the videos, Hornady is the only round that .45 outperformed the 9mm. Otherwise, 9mm has been the champ.

Brass fetcher has a lot of great slow motion gel videos.